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loneliness is bliss, part II
13 February 07, 739 pm
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before i get on with this, i am surprised by the feedback i got to my previous post. i certainly appreciate it. it just struck me as a bit odd. no doubt i had a rough day yesterday and that came out in that post, but as i was writing it, i really felt as though it had a hopeful undertone. regardless, i am in better shape today and as i said this weekend, hope springs eternal.

she LIKED me. she liked ME. SHE liked me… at least i think she did.
i want to respond to one of the comments i received on my previous posts. i would normally just post a response as a comment, but i felt this one could get a little wordy. so instead i will subject everyone to it. here is the comment:

Heather has left a new comment on your post “loneliness is bliss”:
I say this, not to discount the fact that you are lonely, because that is a
very valid thing to be: however, I have never understood men who say they wish
they had someone to come home to, be with, share life with, etc, because from a
woman’s standpoint, men have all the power in that area. Sure, there are women
who ask guys out, but it rarely works out (from my own personal experience). So,
that said, you have the power to ask a girl out and change your position. Please
don’t think I’m on a vendetta for all single women out there, I’m actually
married, I’m just wondering if you realize the position of power that you have.
The other thing I’ve never really been able to grasp is the fact that men say
they are scared to ask girls out for fear of being rejected. Most girls are
dying to be asked out. Granted if you have body odor and no social skills, your
chances are minimal, however you don’t strike me as that type. Anyway, I really
am curious if you have any thoughts about what I’ve written. I know I’m just a
stranger out there in cyberspace…

i am going to break this down and respond to the pieces. first piece, “I have never understood men who say they wish they had someone to come home to, be with, share life with, etc, because from a woman’s standpoint, men have all the power in that area.” as a basic rule, i do not disagree with this. in fact, i want to be the one to initiate things when it comes to a relationship with a woman. call me archaic or chauvinistic, but i believe that men should hold a place of leadership in the relationship and i think this is established from the very initiation of the relationship (i could write a whole load of stuff on roles, but i do not want to get into that right now). i want and plan to be the one that makes the first move, so to speak. but really, that is not my great issue. more on my issues later.

second piece (this is actually the third piece, but i’m moving it up to #2), “The other thing I’ve never really been able to grasp is the fact that men say they are scared to ask girls out for fear of being rejected. Most girls are dying to be asked out. Granted if you have body odor and no social skills, your chances are minimal, however you don’t strike me as that type” thank you for the compliment. i am glad you have been able to recognize my personal grooming abilities through reading my blog…. ha ha. again, i see what you’re saying and i do not disagree. i do not want to come off as seeming cocky, but i am pretty sure i could have a girlfriend if i wanted one. but i think that i would be lying if i said i did not fear rejection (i stated so in my previous post). part of it comes from the fact that i think too much of the social pecking order, if you will, that exists in most social settings. you have people that are cool and attractive at the top of the order, and people that, as you stated, lack social skills and have body odor near the bottom. like it or not, there is a hierarchy. some people are attractive, others are not. being a very visual male, i tend to be initially drawn to those that are at the high end of attraction order. and even as i get to know their personalities, it is natural to be attracted to those that are most attractive. at times i have been able to have relationships with girls that i would say were out of my league. i have been able to move up a class or two in the order of things (i mean this both physically and personality wise). now i still tend to be attracted to high end women, but my esteem tends to tell me that i fall moreso at the mediocre level of men. this has me fearing that i am attracted to women who are out of my league, and therein lies the fear of rejection. i do not think that i am good enough. granted, this rediculous need for catagorizing and classifying individuals is stupid and offensive and probably makes me sound like a jerk. what i’m trying to say is this, girls may be dying to be asked out, but maybe they are dying to be asked out by someone else and not me. fear is a killer. even once i have gotten past the point of initiation and have received confirmation of mutual attraction, i am always afraid that she will eventually realize that she could do so much better. i am afraid of being exposed as mediocre. and why would they settle for mediocre when they could have above average, good, or even great?

third piece, “that said, you have the power to ask a girl out and change your position.” again, much like the first piece, i agree with you. if i really want to be in a relationship, i could ask a girl out and change that position. but this brings about a whole different set of fears and questions for me. i have made mistakes in the past in terms of my relationships with women. i have probably let some really great ones get away and i know i have gotten in to some bad situations with girls because i forced the issue. i want to make sure that i am listening to God (something i am not always good at) and i want to make sure i take my time and chose the right one. i go around in circles all the time thinking, “i have to be ready… but is anybody ever really ready?” or “i have to wait to hear from God… but what if God is simply telling me to make a choice and trust Him in it? what if i do not hear Him at all?” i apply these same circular arguments to other things, not just girls. my point is, i may have the power, but i am not sure it is the right time to exercise that power and i have no idea at this point how to know when to exercise that power.

all that said, i agree with the general ideas in your comment. but on an individual level, on a personal level, i am not sure it’s that simple. i am insecure and fearful when it comes to relationships right now. not so much about my ability to secure one, but moreso about my ability to maintain a healthy, God-honoring one. i am certainly a work in progress and i know that the Holy Spirit is giving my heart an overhaul right now. i wish i could just rest on that and be satisfied, but i am not more often than i am. so from time to time, i will probably feel sorry for myself and write about how i wish i could find someone or about how i am jealous of my coupled friends. so bear with me. everything is going to be cool.


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After i read your newest blog, i felt compelled that i should leave a comment. I do agree with you about the classifying as you were, to be stupid and offensive. It will probably make every girl wonder if they were pretty enough to be ‘out of your league’. Its funny how the ‘attractive’ ones are out of your league, when actually you have been known to catch some. I think there is more to it.

I also found it somewhat arrogant to say that if you wanted to date you could. I know you pretty well and know how you think this. I think alot of people are misguided by their own thoughts of how awesome they are, sometimes i think it. But i also feel sorry for anyone who might ‘fall’ for me in this state i am in, for i know God wants more from me then my awesomeness or my ‘attractivability’ of others. Frankly i feel bad if anyone likes me becuase it is unlikely that i would date them, not because of them but because of Jesus. (cliche to alot, but true to me)

Comment by sayward

Thanks for your honesty, Fargo John. And, I must say, that I believe we all classify people, even though it is stupid and offensive. It’s something that I pray for God to take away from me, personally, because I know I don’t want people classifying me that way! But yet, we continue to do it…
It’s so interesting to hear men’s points of view, because as a woman, a man might not be a perfect 10 in the looks department, but as we get to know him, his personality might shine and then he shoots up the scale.

It IS hard to know when to either ask a girl out, or when to say yes to a boy, as a Christian, because you do want your relationships to be God-honoring. Maybe that means you don’t date as much as you’d like. But let me tell you, from my own experience, once you meet the one you want to spend the rest of your life with, none of that other stuff matters anymore, and you’ll probably be much happier that you didn’t date as much, because your heart is in better shape than it would have been if you’d been dating all over the place.

Good luck to you, man. Or should I say, “God speed?”

PS – remember that we’re all a work in progress, and there will never be the perfect time to meet the right girl. You will continue to be a work in progress even after you meet her, and she will love you for that, too.

Comment by Heather

Dude, now you got me all teary-eyed!

I tend to have more trouble with the “all the power” concept, even though I will admit that in our culture, specifically in the midwest/west (Cali doesn’t count, obviously), the men certainly have that role. Within that context it makes a lot of sense to be uncomfortable about “girls asking you out”. I’m with you there, but I do get a little aggravated when so much pressure is placed on the guy to initiate some grand thing. Yeah, a dating relationship is a serious thing: it should be as serious as the parties involved make it. A “date”, however, is just that, in and of itself. I better stop before I get into my semantics lecture, but let me just say, as a guy who values commitment tremendously, that for all of the obsession over nomenclature (thanks to the media, in large part), it remains just that, nomenclature.

But thank you, Heather, on behalf of all the despicable schmucks out there, for your words of wisdom and hope. We are all, indeed, works in progress. As they say in occitan,

Ardit!

Comment by Corineus

“even once i have gotten past the point of initiation and have received confirmation of mutual attraction, i am always afraid that she will eventually realize that she could do so much better. i am afraid of being exposed as mediocre. and why would they settle for mediocre when they could have above average, good, or even great?”

That’s where I’m at right now and it scares me.

Comment by Aaron

“It’s so interesting to hear men’s points of view, because as a woman, a man might not be a perfect 10 in the looks department, but as we get to know him, his personality might shine and then he shoots up the scale.”

I think this is how most guys work as well. If someone told me their initial attraction isn’t at least in part physical I would call them a lier, that’s just how we’re built, or at least in America it’s how we get trained. However I know for myself and I think most males would say it works the exact same for them as heather stated.

As far as you could date someone, yes arrogant like sayward said and to sayward, John said that right in his post that it would come off cocky. I think just about anyone if they wanted to date just to date could find SOMEbody. Besides John’s a tomcat, that’s all their is to it haha. YOU’RE A BEAR JOHN YOU’RE A BEAR

Comment by Justin

i really just wanted to take that opportunity to talk about myself… that’s all… and unload a bit on john… meer selfishness coming through… sorry to all.

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